III. THE FUTURE (“THE THINGS WHICH SHALL BE HEREAFTER"), PART 2b--6:1-22:21
     E. The Eternal State--21:1--22:21, Part 2
          1. The new Jerusalem--21:1-22:5
               c. The new Jerusalem itself--21:9-22:5
                    (I) Its description--vv. 9-21
                         (A) The Bride, the Lamb's wife
                              (1) Thus involves the church
                              (2) Angel is to show John the Bride, but is shown a city.
                                   (a) John was not mixed up nor was the angel.
                                   (b) Obviously it is both.
                         (B) A great city
                              (1) Called "Holy Jerusalem"
                              (2) Vast in size
                                   (a) Was foursquare
                                        ((I)) Could mean it is cubic in shape (so Newell, 341)
                                        ((II)) Could mean that it is pyramid in shape with the base thereof  square.  This is suggested by
                                             the phrase:  "the length is as large as the breadth."
                                        ((III)) The Greek word is tetragon, which is literally four-sided.
                                        ((IV)) The fact that the height is equal to the length and breadth would lend to either a cube or a
                                             four-sided pyramid whose altitude is equal to the length of  one side.
                                   (b) In any event l = w = h which raises another question.
                                        ((I)) Is the length 12,000 furlongs?
                                             ((A)) If so, then the length, breadth, and height are each 1500 miles.
                                             ((B)) 1 mile = 8 furlongs which equates 1 furlong to 1 stadia (not quite accurate since our
                                                  mile is 426 feet more)
                                        ((II)) The Greek says: emetrosen ton polin toi kallamoi epi stadions dedeka chiliadon, he
                                             measured the city with the reed epi 12,000 stadii.
                                             ((A)) The question lies, therefore, in the meaning of  epi.
                                             ((B)) Generally means "over, " and with the word measure would carry the idea of  "over the
                                                  distance of."
                                        ((III)) However, the statement says, "measured the city" not just the length.
                                             ((A)) If  this be the case, then the length would be 3,000 stadia.
                                             ((B)) Of  course, the breadth and height would also be 3,000 stadia.
                                             ((C)) This would be 3,000 furlongs each or approximately 375 miles(more accurately, since
                                                  the stadian is 600 Greek feet or 606 3/4 English feet, 345 miles)
                                        ((IV)) In either case the city would be too large for our present earth, particularly height-wise.
                                   (c) The wall is 144 cubits.
                                        ((I)) This would argue for a pyramid shape, for a cube would have the city high sides right up to
                                             the wall.
                                        ((II)) 216 feet high based on 18 inch cubit
                                        ((III)) 252.5 feet high based on 21 inch cubit
                                   (d) This writer personally favors the pyramid shape and he will present such evidence as he thinks
                                        points to it.
                                   (e) Verse 17b precludes this cubit as being something other than human measurement.
                              (3) Richly endowed
                                   (a) Wall made of  jasper
                                        ((I)) As stated in connection with Revelation 4:3, Jasper is a yellow stone.
                                        ((II)) In verse 11 of  this chapter it is symbolic of  the glory of  God.
                                        ((III)) The wall is of  jasper to remind us that the glory of  God is now surrounding the saints.
                                             ((A)) Thus forever protected
                                             ((B)) Thus excludes all except those who enter by the gate
                                   (b) The city proper is of  pure gold, but transparent like glass, thus no ordinary gold.
                                   (c) The twelve foundations are studded with precious stones.
                                        ((I)) The first with jasper--yellow, not due to lack of  courage, but filled with God's glory.
                                        ((II)) The second with sapphire--probably like our present day sky-blue stone, suggesting
                                             heavenly character
                                        ((III)) The third with chalcedony--perhaps what is known as an agate and probably found near
                                             Chalcedon, and is sky-blue with stripes of  other colors.
                                        ((IV)) The fourth with the emerald--green naturally, speaking of  rest due to God's mercy and
                                             grace
                                        ((V)) The fifth with the sardonyx--corresponding to the onyx stone in the Old Testament
                                        ((VI)) The sixth is sardius, or sardine--corresponding to our ruby, thus red in color suggesting
                                             sacrifice and judgment.
                                        ((VII)) The seventh with the chrysolith--probably a stone of  pale green, somewhat transparent
                                             and perhaps like our topaz (but see ninth stone)
                                        ((VIII)) The eighth with beryl--again found in Old Testament
                                        ((IX)) The ninth with topaz--which may be somewhat like amber
                                        ((X)) The tenth with chrysoprasus--might correspond to amethyst in the Old Testament, but see
                                             the twelfth one
                                        ((XI)) The eleventh with jacinth--corresponding to the ligure in the Old Testament
                                        ((XII)) The twelfth with amethyst--a purple stone which speaks of  royalty
                                   (d) The gates are of  pearl, each gate out one pearl--no oyster needed to produce these.
                                   (e) Just to be sure there is no misunderstand, the streets are described as being of  gold, transparent
                                        as in verse 18.
                              (4) A literal city
                                   (a) Many objections are raised to taking this city as literal and actual.
                                        ((I)) Such a view, it is claimed, is too materialistic, and not worthy of  the spiritual views
                                             presented by our Lord (What about Jesus' statement in John 14:1-3; must we not take it
                                             literally?).  But if  God so presents such a material view, who is to say that to take it as such
                                             is too materialistic?  Rather it is that those who wish to do away with the literal that have little,
                                             if  anything, to say of  the future eternity except in rather vague, nebulous terms.
                                        ((II)) Such a view, it is argued, does not fit into the picture of  the Bride of  Christ.
                                             ((A)) This argument is, granted, most effective.
                                             ((B)) However, the description of  this city includes more than the Church, the Bride--cf.
                                                  Hebrews 12:22-24
                                             ((C)) Then, too, a moment's thought will show that both can be literally true and that the two
                                                  ideas are not incompatible; remember the throne of  God and the Lamb are in this city,
                                                  therefore, the bride is part thereof.
                                   (b) The arguments for a literal city
                                        ((I)) The first and foremost argument is literal interpretation.
                                        ((II)) As Peters points out, "In the usage of  the east when a king entered his capitol to rule there
                                             from, or a prince ascended the throne, it was represented under the figure of  a marriage,
                                             i. e., he was wedded, intimately and permanently united to the city, or throne, or people."
                                        ((III)) The description is literal.  The gold means gold; the stones, stones; the pearls, pearls; the
                                             exact measurements, real dimensions; or else as Newell, 348, says, "the Bible gives nothing
                                             accurate nor reliable."  The twelve stones mentioned here occur in the high priest's
                                             four-square breastplate--cf. Exodus 28:15-21.  These stones were literal; why not the ones
                                             here in Revelation?
                                        ((IV)) The rejection of  the literal here requires more than the child-like faith necessary to accept
                                             the gospel in the first place.  Yet the faith necessary to believe the book of  Revelation is no
                                             different or more sophisticated.
                                        ((V)) Abraham and the other Old Testament saints looked for a "city," not some ethereal state of
                                             mind.--cf. Hebrews 11:9, 10, 13-16
                                        ((VI)) The literal resurrection of  the body is proof as Newell (349; italics are his.) states:  "If
                                             reasonings and doubts of  the reality and literalness of  His body were excluded, then, when
                                             the human mind would naturally be astonished; how much less now can questionings and
                                             doubts be admitted as to the literalness of  the marvelous city of  Revelation 21, which is to
                                             be the eternal home of  our Lord's risen body, and that of  His saints in glorified bodies
                                             like unto His!"
                                             ((A)) Note:  Jesus Christ is even right now in His risen body; it will be so then.
                                             ((B)) NOTE:  The deniers of  the bodily resurrection have not risen out of  the camp of  the
                                                  literalists, but rather out of  the camp of  the allegorizers who wish to allegorize this literal,
                                                  glorious city into a meaningless nothing.  This writer repeats:  Liberalism,
                                                  neo-orthodoxy,
God-is-dead movement, never arose out of  the camp of  the
                                                  literalists;
furthermore, no dispensationalist, no premillennialist, no literalist has
                                                  ever
become a liberal, neo-orthodox, etc. without first DEPARTING FROM
                                                  LITERAL, DISPENSATIONAL, PREMILLENNIAL, INTERPRETATION OF
                                                  SCRIPTURE
.
                                        ((VII)) If  this new Jerusalem can not be taken literal, neither can anyone consistently take literal
                                             the millennial Jerusalem of  Ezekiel 40-48 and Zecheriah 14.  Yet there are premillennialists
                                             who are thus inconsistent and some of  these have departed from premillerinialism
                                             because of  the inconsistency.
                                        ((VIII)) In this same book of  Revelation, the former Jerusalem is literal--cf. 11:8, and so is
                                             Babylon the Great--18:10.  So is the great earthquake which destroys both--16:19; as well
                                             as the destroying of  the old earth, and the creation of  the new.  Consistency demands,
                                             therefore, the literalness of  this city.
                                        ((IX)) A very prevalent idea is that spirituality is contrary to and opposed to material things.
                                             ((A)) God chose a physical, material city which to dwell in the Old Testament times.
                                             ((B)) The incarnation is proof that this idea is false; for what is more material than a human
                                                  body? cf. John 1:1-3, 14; 2 John 7 and many other passages.
                                             ((C)) Rightly does Newell, 350, say that Christian Scientists--who are neither Christian or
                                                  scientific--are the only consistent and logical allegorizers.
                                             ((D)) The Bible rightly interpreted leads to a literal and wonderful abode for the redeemed
                                                  who possess glorified bodies--but bodies nevertheless.
                                        ((X)) Peters further points out that Revelation 21:22 "can only be predicted of  a material city."
                                        ((XI)) A distinction is made in numerous passages (of  which Hebrews 12 is just one) between
                                             the city and its inhabitants.
                    (II) Its inhabitants
                         (A) The .eternal dwelling place of  God
                              (1) Cf. 21:1, 2 with verse 3a--The new Jerusalem descends out of  Heaven and immediately we read:
                                   "Behold, the tabernacle of  God is with men."
                              (2) No other habitation for God is mentioned after this point.
                              (3) Has the glory of  God in it
                                   (a) 21:11
                                   (b) 21:23
                                   (c) 22:5
                                   (d) Has the glory of  God because God Himself is there
                              (4) Has the throne of  God--22:3
                              (5) Has the service (spiritual worship) of  God--22:3
                              (6) "Here at last God, who is Love, reveals Himself to the saints of  that blessed city directly.  There is
                                   no temple, no form, no distance.  This, therefore, must be the place of  God's rest forever!"
                                   (Newell, 354; italics are his.)
                         (B) The Bride, the Lamb's wife
                              (1) Cf. 21:9--This is why the close identification between the Bride and the city.
                              (2) As Pentecost says:  "When the angel would reveal the glory and blessedness of  the bride that angel
                                   reveals the dwelling place of  the bride." (Probably from Things to Come)
                              (3) See
                                   (a) Hebrews 12:22, 23; 13:14
                                   (b) Revelation 3:12
                              (4) Probably the place to which our Lord refers--John 14:2, 3 (Note:  John is the human author of
                                   both passages.)
                              (5) Note also the names of  the twelve apostles in the foundations
                         (C) The Old Testament saints
                              (1) This would include Tribulation saints who are Jews.
                              (2) Recall that Abraham was looking for a city--Hebrews 11:9.
                              (3) Again cf. Hebrews 12:22ff.
                         (D) Innumerable company of  angels
                              (1) Nothing is in our text to surmise this.
                              (2) Logically follows from the fact that God is there and the angels serve Him.
                              (3) Again see Hebrews 12:22ff.
                         (E) The Lamb
                              (1) Follows from the fact that He is God
                              (2) Follows from the fact that His bride, the wife of  the Lamb, the church, is there
                              (3) Follows from direct statements of  Scripture
                                   (a) Hebrews 12:22.ff.
                                   (b) Revelation 21:22, 23
                                   (c) Revelation 22:1, 3
                         (F) The Holy Spirit
                              (1) No specific passage can be cited to support the idea that the Spirit is in this city; all is by inference.
                              (2} First, if  God the Father, and God the Son--the Lamb--dwell here in this city, no reason can be
                                   assigned for the absence of  the Holy Spirit from this city.
                              (3) Second, the Trinity is a tri-unity; therefore, where the Father and Son are, the Spirit will be also.
                                   (Note:  This is not a denial of  the omnipresence of  God.)  
                              (4) Third, the church, the bride of  the Lamb, is resident in this city; those of  us who are believers as
                                   members of  His Body and thus of  the church have the Holy Spirit indwelling us; and no Scripture
                                   can be cited for the departure of  the Holy Spirit from the believer when we die or are raptured.  To
                                   the contrary , from 2 Thessalonians 2:7, we deduce the fact that the Holy Spirit Who is now is
                                   restraining evil in this present age is "taken out of  the way" when believers are raptured.
                              (5) Notice 22:17 where the Spirit and the Bride are closely connected.
                    (III) Its place
                         (A) In relation to prophetic time
                              (1) Two views are prevalent among premillennialists (The amillennialists make no time distinctions here
                                   to speak of, so that their views need not be considered).
                                   (a) Describes the millennium (Obviously, from what has been said, this writer does not hold this
                                        position)
                                   (b) Describes the eternal state
                              (2) Arguments for the Millennium and objections
                                   (a) This view is held by such stawalt premillennialists as Darby, Gaebelein, Grant, Ironside,
                                        Jennings, Kelly, Pettingill, Seiss, Scott as well as others.
                                   (b) The principle of  retrospect
                                        ((I)) This principle, which does occur in the Book of  Revelation, says that a writer by inspiration
                                             will state a series of  events to a point then return to restate some or all of  the events with
                                             expansion.
                                        ((II)) Kelly gives a good example of  this in stating that the events recorded up through chapter
                                             14 carries us time-wise to after the Fall of  Babylon.  In chapters 17, 18, the details of  this
                                             fall is given in retrospect.  Then Kelly states:  "Now it appears to me that this exactly answers
                                             to the order of  the events in Chapter xxi." (Quoted by Pentecost, Things to Come, 564).
                                        ((III)) Objections
                                             ((A)) "This expanded vision of  the new Jerusalem does not, for its interpretation, demand a
                                                  return in thought to the conditions existing during the Millennium.  The Millennium is the
                                                  theme, indeed, of  the prophecies of  the Old Testament, and beyond the Millennium
                                                  these prophecies rarely go." (Ottman, quoted by Pentecost, Ibid.).  It is suggested that
                                                  two passages in Isaiah look beyond the Millennium.  This limitation is not found in the
                                                  New Testament, however.
                                             ((B)) Kelly's argument is at fault because the two passages cited are not parallels.
                                   (c) The ministry of  the vial angel
                                        ((I)) Because the speaker to John is an angel connected with the vial judgments, it is thus
                                             associated with the setting up of  the Millennium; therefore, this passage concerning the new
                                             Jerusalem is concerned with the Millennium.
                                        ((II)) The argument from the principle of  retrospect is also used in this connection.
                                        ((III)) Objections
                                             ((A)) The objection to the principle of  retrospect being used applies here.
                                             ((B)) Just because the speaker is one of  the vial angels does not of  itself associate this new
                                                  Jerusalem with any connection with the Millennium.  One might note in this connection that
                                                  when the Millennium is actually introduced, no such statement of  one of  the vial angels is
                                                  seen.
                                   (d) The use of  dispensational names
                                        ((I)) The dispensational names in question are "the Lord God Almighty" and "the Lamb."  These
                                             names, asserts Kelly, are not associated with the obviously eternal picture of  21:1-8.
                                        ((II)) Objections
                                             ((A)) "The Lamb" is not necessarily dispensational in meaning.  It is used in various
                                                  dispensations and is not peculiar to the Millennium.
                                                  ((1)) Under law by John the Baptist--cf. John 1:29
                                                  ((2)) Under grace
                                                       ((a)) Acts 8:32
                                                       ((b)) 1 Peter 1:19
                                                  ((3)) During the tribulation period--cf. Revelation 7:14
                                                  ((4)) The term is not in the Millennium passage.
                                             ((B)) The name "Almighty" cannot be confined to the Millennium period.
                                                  ((1)) It is used many times in the Old Testament in non-millennial passages, over 30 times
                                                       in the Book of  Job alone.
                                                  ((2)) "This name will take on new significance in that it has been demonstrated through the
                                                       destruction of  the last enemy that God is the Almighty."--Pentecost.
                                   (e) The healing of  the nations
                                        ((I)) The necessity of  healing of  nations in Revelation 22:2, so this argument says, requires that
                                             this passage be millennial.
                                        ((II)) Kelly says that nations will not exist as such in eternity; neither will they need healing.
                                        ((III)) Scott, 440, notes the parallelism between this passage and Ezekiel 47:12
                                        ((IV)) Objections
                                             ((A)) Admittedly, they seem to have the best of  the argument here.
                                             ((B)) Ottman states that the two visions (one in Revelation and the one in Ezekiel) "are not
                                                  the same.  The range of  Ezekiel's prophecy does not extend beyond the Millennium,
                                                  whereas John's is of  Eternity." (quoted by Pentecost, op. cit., 566).
                                             ((C)) Sometimes the prophets use healing in a spiritual sense rather than physical.  Though
                                                  this idea would lessen the need to a reference to the Millennium, this still remains their best
                                                  argument.
                                             ((D)) Pentecost notes "that a tree of  life was in the garden to sustain life for Adam in his
                                                  unfallen state.  It did not there have reference to sin or disease and need not here."  This
                                                  answer subdues the force of  the argument from healing to some extent.
                                             ((E)) The full force of  the argument is not so much dependent upon the matter of  healing,
                                                  but rather on the matter of  the existence of  nations.
                                                  ((1)) Kelly uses this mention of  nations to insist it must refer to the Millennium, for he
                                                       affirms that no nations exist in the eternal state.
                                                  ((2)) Who says there are no nations in the eternal state?  Kelly, but certainly not the
                                                       Scripture.
                                                  ((3)) Israel, redeemed, does not cease to exist as a nation, Isaiah 66:22--coupled with the
                                                       context--clearly associates the nation Israel with the new heavens and new earth.
                                                  ((4)) Ottman well states, "That none of  the other Millennial nations should in like manner
                                                       survive the dissolution of  the earth is almost inconceivable." (Quoted by Pentecost,
                                                       op. cit., 567)
                                             ((F)) The argument seems to hinge on the preposition eis in Revelation 21:26.
                                                  ((1)) Kelly insists it means "unto"; thus sustaining the idea that the nations will approach
                                                       unto the city, but not into it.
                                                  ((2)) Kelly overlooks the.fact that Revelation 21:2 speaks of  the new Jerusalem, the holy
                                                       city, coming down from God out of  heaven--which verse he would acknowledge is
                                                       eternity--and that Revelation 21:10 speaks of  the great city, the holy Jerusalem,
                                                       descending out of  heaven from God.  There is no difference in the Greek between
                                                       "coming down" and "descending"; both are katabaimousan.
                                                  ((3)) Kelly also overlooks the fact that in Revelation 21:27 only those in the Lamb's book
                                                       of  life enters this city.  Thus, he fails to see whole groups of  people redeemed during
                                                       the Millennium.
                                                  ((4)) The Greek word eis can mean "into" or "unto"; and this writer fails to see that any
                                                       real difference in interpretation exists between the two renderings.
                                   (f) The ministry of  angels
                                        ((I)) Scott (429?) argues that no ministry of  angels occurs in eternity, hence this scene is
                                             millennial.
                                        ((II)) Objections
                                             ((A)) Largely an argument from silence, for the passage which all admit is the eternal
                                                  state--Revelation 21:1-8--is brief to say the least, and possibly too short to include their
                                                  eternal ministry.
                                             ((B)) Hebrews 12:22 certainly pictures that angels are in the new Jerusalem, and this writer
                                                  for one can see no distinction between the heavenly Jerusalem there and the one
                                                  mentioned in Revelation 21:2 and the one mentioned in Revelation 21:10.
                                             ((C)) It is not reasonable that angels created before mankind and who left not their first estate
                                                  but continually serve God day and night should not have some service to render in
                                                  eternity.
                              (3) Arguments for the eternal state
                                   (a) The use of  the adjective "new"
                                        ((I)) Occurs in Revelation 21:1, 2
                                        ((ll)) Three new things
                                             ((A)) Heaven
                                             ((B)) Earth
                                             ((C)) Jerusalem
                                        ((III)) The "new Jerusalem of  verse 2 and the holy Jerusalem of  verse 10 must be the same
                                             based on the descent of  both from God out of  heaven, and since it is related to the new
                                             heaven and new earth, which represents eternity in the first instance," then, "it must represent
                                             eternal positions in the second also." (Pentecost, op. cit., 568).
                                   (b) The position of  the city:
                                        ((I)) Mentioned in Revelation 21:2, 10
                                        ((II)) Generally, interpreters of  both views picture the city as pictured in Revelation 21:10 as
                                             suspended over the earth.  Then this idea is used to argue that it could only be an eternal
                                             picture, not a millennial one, for, it is insisted that Jesus Christ will reign during the Millennium                                              from an earthly Jerusalem, not a heavenly one. (This fact seems evident from Revelation
                                             20:9)
                                        ((III)) Pentecost gives this reply:  "It may be argued that Christ will return to the earth at the
                                             second advent and He will reign on David's throne.  The center of  that authority is
                                             recognized to be earthly Jerusalem.  That does not necessitate the presence of  Christ on that
                                             throne constantly.  Christ may still reign on David's throne over David's kingdom, but make
                                             the heavenly Jerusalem His place of  residence with His Bride."
                                        ((IV)) Another reply may be that both sets of  interpreters are wrong in saying that this heavenly
                                             Jerusalem is suspended over the earth.  This writer is convinced, at least, that it comes to rest
                                             on the new earth.
                                   (c) The city has eternal characteristics.
                                        ((I)) A number of  its descriptions are eternal in character.
                                             ((A)) The glory which the Millennium would have of  God is in it, which would strike down
                                                  any unsaved
                                             ((B)) Had no temple in it whereas Ezekiel 40-48 indicates a temple during the Millennium.
                                             ((C)) God's throne is there.
                                             ((D)) No night in the heavenly city; the Millennium will have night and day (cf. Isaiah 30:26;
                                                  60:19, 20)
                                             ((E)) No more curse (22:3) which removes the effects of  the fall
                                             ((F)) All are saved (21:27); therefore, must be eternity, for Millennium will have unsaved
                                                  born during it.
                                             ((G)) No death in it, but people will die during the millennium (Isaiah 65:20)
                                        ((II)) However, in reply, Jesus taught that He would take the "throne of  His glory" at His second
                                             coming (Matthew 25:31) and certainly will occupy it during the Millennium.
                                        ((III)) The argument that there is no temple is not conclusive for Ezekiel's temple is in the earthly
                                             Jerusalem; the heavenly Jerusalem need none, for the Lamb is there.
                                        ((IV)) Further, it is argued that no night is there is not conclusive, for the heavenly Jerusalem has
                                             the Lamb as the light, whereas the earthly Jerusalem would have night.
                                             ((A)) This writer objects on the grounds that such argumentation leads to confusing the
                                                  earthly Jerusalem and the New Jerusalem.  Such confusing is what have led many to
                                                  throw up their hands and allegorize the whole book.
                                             ((B)) This writer's second objection is that 21:24 says that the nations walk in its light;
                                                  therefore, this must be an eternal picture.
                                   (d) Argument from the length of  reign
                                        ((I)) Revelation 22:5 states an eternal reign--forever and ever-- for the saints whereas
                                             Revelation 20:4 states that the saints reign for 1,000 years.
                                        ((II)) Since 1,000 years is not forever, the reign in Revelation 22 must be eternal.
                                        ((III)) In reply these who argue for the Millennium here point to the fact that Christ's kingdom
                                             and reign are forever, not just 1,000 years.
                                   (e) Argument from existence of  nations in eternity
                                        ((I)) Revelation 21:3 states that God will be their God, and they in turn will be His peoples--
                                             which is the correct rendering of  the Greek.  From this fact, nations--peoples being another
                                             way of  saying nations--will be in eternity.
                                        ((II)) As previously noted, at least one nation will be upon the new earth, namely, Israel.--cf.
                                             Isaiah 66:22
                                        ((III)) The other side replies that Isaiah 66 "must be taken in a very qualified sense indeed. . . . it
                                             is said of  the Lord, 'He shall reign over the house of  Jacob forever, and of  his kingdom
                                             there shall be no end.'  This is an Old Testament hope, though said in the New; and it means
                                             of  course that He shall reign over the house of  Jacob as long as it exists as such upon the
                                             earth.  When the earth disappears and Israel is no longer seen as a nation, they will be
                                             blessed, no doubt, in another and better way; but there will be no reign of  Christ over them
                                             as an earthly people here below; so that this kingdom, while it has no end as the earth
                                             subsists, must necessarily be limited by the earth's continuance." (Kelly, as quoted by
                                             Pentecost, op. cit., 571-2.)
                                             ((A)) Objection #1--Newell (location unknown) well says--although in a slightly different
                                                  connection--"As the little girl asked her mother concerning the preacher who said that our
                                                  Lord's words in John 14, 'I will come again,' did not mean that He would come back in
                                                  person:  'Mama, if  Jesus did not mean what He said, why didn't He say what He
                                                  meant?'"  The application to Kelly's statement should be evident:  If  the Word of  God
                                                  says that Jesus "shall reign over the house of  Jacob forever, and of  his kingdom there
                                                  shall be no end," yet does not mean forever, and no end, why didn't God say what He
                                                  meant?  Of  course, God meant what He said, and Kelly is completely wrong is saying
                                                  that Isaiah 66 "must be taken in a very qualified sense."
                                             ((B)) Objection #2 to Kelly's statement. is that God creates a new earth as well as a new
                                                  heaven.  Why have a new earth if  Israel, or some other nations are not going to enjoy it?
                                                  Is it any wonder so many scoff at the Lord's Word when we who name the name of
                                                  Jesus are so unwilling to take God at His Word?  Oh, this writer knows that we are living
                                                  in a so-called enlighten, sophisticated, erudite age where everything, particularly if  it is at
                                                  all related to the Bible, is questioned, denied, twisted, and allegorized into nothingness.
                                                  Little wonder that our present generation has produced a "God-is-dead" movement.
                                                  How long will we who say we believe God's Word wait before we really start believing
                                                  it?
                                   (e) Argument from Matthew 25:34, 46
                                        ((I)) Matthew 25:34 shows that Gentiles who are saved will inherit a kingdom that has been
                                             "prepared for them from the foundation of  the world." (Pentecost, op. cit., 572)
                                        ((II)) These Gentiles inherit life according to Matthew 25:46, which must be eternal life;
                                             therefore, there will be after the millennium individuals who are not part of  the church, the
                                             Bride, but saved and possessors of  eternal life, and yet distinct from Israel.  Where are these
                                             going to be, unless they are the peoples, the nations, living on earth throughout eternity?
                              (4) A possible solution
                                   (a) Although this writer currently hold the eternal state point of  view, another possibility exists,
                                        namely, both the millennial and eternal states are in view.
                                        ((I)) As is often the case--though not always, when there seems to be two opposing ideas, the
                                             truth may, perhaps, lay between them.
                                        ((II)) This view would take the best of  both.
                                        ((III)) It would suggest that Revelation 21:9-22:7 "describes the eternal habitation of  the
                                             resurrected saints during the millennium." (Pentecost, op. cit., 572) "When the occupants of
                                             the city are described it must be seen that they are in their eternal state, possessing their
                                             eternal inheritance in eternal relationship with God who has tabernacled among them.  There
                                             will be no change in their position or relation whatsoever.  When the occupants of  the earth
                                             are described they are seen in the millennial age.  They have an established relationship to the
                                             heavenly city which is above them. in whose light they walk.  Yet their position is not eternal
                                             nor unchangeable, but rather millennial."--Pentecost, op. cit., 580  "At the expiration of  the
                                             millennial age, during the renovation of  earth, the dwelling place is removed during the
                                             conflagration to find its place after the recreation, as the connecting link between the new
                                             heavens and the new earth."-- Pentecost, loc. cit.
                                        ((IV)) Perhaps, this mediating view is the solution, but it is all based upon the assumption that
                                             Revelation 21:2, 10 have the new and holy Jerusalem suspended above the earth.  This
                                             assumption, this writer believes, is not necessarily warranted.  The eternal state view does not
                                             need this assumption, and those verses have nothing in their statements for such an
                                             assumption.  This writer must admit that nothing is in those statement that would prevent such
                                             an assumption, but why assume something that is unnecessary? (But then consider also
                                             Revelation 22:3)
                         (B) In relation to the new earth
                              (1) Two views are available; these two determine one's ultimate interpretation of  the new Jerusalem,
                                   particular as in Revelation 21:10ff.
                                   (a) The new, holy Jerusalem is suspended above the earth.
                                        ((I)) The chief argument is that Revelation 21:2, 10 picture it is "coming down" but nowhere
                                             does it say that it rests on the new earth; Q. E. D., it must be suspended above the new
                                             earth; and so have commentators assumed.
                                        ((II)) Objection:  that it does not say it touches the new earth is an argument from silent that cuts
                                             both ways.
                                        ((III)) Objection:  Revelation 22:3 says there shall be no more curse which argues for the
                                             eternal state, and which in turn does not need the assumption of  a suspended holy city.
                                   (b) The new, holy Jerusalem is resting upon the earth.
                                        ((I)) This view is based on the idea that if  the kings of earth (21:24) bring their glory into the
                                             city, then the city must rest upon the earth for them to enter.  Verse 10 as well as verse 2
                                             allow for it, and there is as much valid reason for assuming it rest upon the earth as to assume
                                             that it is suspended above it.
                                        ((II)) The chief objection is the same one for the other view, .namely, that it does not say that it
                                             rests upon the earth.  This argument from silence, as noted before, cuts both ways.
                                        ((III)) Another objection that might be raised is that most commentators hold.that it is suspended
                                             above the earth.  Of  course, just because most commentators hold a position does not make
                                             it right.  Most of  them ignore it seems to this writer, verse 24.


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